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Pokémon Legends: Z-A
Gaming Gossip - Επεισόδιο 4: Οι λόγοι πίσω από το ατελείωτο ξεφάντωμα απολύσεων βιντεοπαιχνιδιών και τη στρατηγική κυκλοφορία του Pokémon Legends: Z-A
Σε αυτήν την εκπομπή Gaming Gossip Gamereactor, ο David Caballero, ο Alex Hopley και ο Ben Lyons συζητούν για το τρέχον ξεφάντωμα απολύσεων στη βιομηχανία βιντεοπαιχνιδιών και πώς η AI, το κόστος AAA, η απληστία και οι τάσεις του είδους ήταν μέρος του λόγου. Σε πιο ελαφρύ τόνο, το δεύτερο μισό της εκπομπής είναι αφιερωμένο στη συζήτηση για το Pokémon Legends: Z-A, μια πιθανή κυκλοφορία του Switch 2 και την πρόσφατη εκπομπή Presents.
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"Hello everyone and welcome back to I think our fourth episode of Gaming Gossip at this point. Today we have a lot of recent news to talk about. Not a lot of it is positive, I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna set this up as some like you know incredibly exciting and positive episode because it's not exactly that. There's been too much negative stuff happen in the games industry so far this week that we can't, we just can't not talk about. Too much has happened within the space of well it's Wednesday so two days essentially. Yeah we're gonna be talking about the layoffs, we will get to a little bit later talking about the Pokémon Presents because there was some interesting developments there but let's talk layoffs first. A lot's happened approximately so far this week alone of these two days around a thousand people have lost their jobs judging by what we've we've seen. Over 900 at PlayStation, anywhere between 90 and 150 at Supermassive Games and then around 20% of Deck Nine's workforce as well including some various different developments over at Daigut Fabric as well in how they're going to be approaching game development in the future. But yes let's talk layoffs then. What's our talk take on this matter so far? Are we surprised that this is happening? Well it became a train in 2023 already didn't it and it's very sad. The first thing we have to say it's very very sad. I was just recently very close to the guys over at Daigut Fabric over the Solsy Chronicles game. They're so artsy so so delicate and it feels so wrong that the industry can't hold this this type of studios but the same goes for Supermassive. I mean they've been doing an incredible job in in terms of cinematic horror games and and now with Little Nymers as well. I was looking forward to it and seeing that they probably can't like escalate or work on different uh press at the same time. But this is only about the studios if we talk about publishers and bigger studios. Yeah Sony is just following Microsoft's suit so yeah it it looks it looks bleak. It looked very depressing at the end of last year already and now it's getting worse and and you before this show started you said you said we're probably going to witness more of this before the the year end exactly before the quarter and the fiscal year ends in March 31st. That's around the corner so it's not looking good at all."
"No and we talked about it a minute ago. I think there was around 11,250 jobs lost or something throughout 2023 and we're already well over 7,500 in 2024 and it's not even the end of February.
So it looks like it looks like there will be more. I wouldn't expect that to not happen at this point. I think the the kind of the outlier so far is Nintendo but we have heard reports that the Nintendo executives have sort of scaled back on their income should we say to sort of offset any issues they may face and like that's not what we see with Sony and Microsoft. They're very much more corporate companies you know Nintendo is a game company first and foremost Sony and Microsoft are very different you know Microsoft gaming is only a division of Microsoft gaming is only a division of Sony as well so when they don't meet their financial expectations it's the same as what happens with a lot of other companies they cut a lot of roles and we've seen that already you know a thousand jobs is a lot though it's a lot to to stomach within two days and as we said that there's going to be more there's going to be more and I don't know where they're going to come from but we're going to see more people losing their jobs especially within the next sort of month or so so um it's sad news it's sad news it's do we think this is a like do we think this is happening because of the boom we saw during the pandemic where games were becoming really popular because people weren't obviously getting time to do anything else we saw games drawing in like sort of record review almost and then obviously massive expansion in that regard do we think this is a an effect of that everything coming back to normal in a way yeah I think it's a really frustrating like a foresight in the industry as a whole you've not been able to think four years ahead when usually you plan seven or eight in a console generation what the what the hell do you think was going to happen either we stay in lockdown forever and people get used to their lives therefore less gaming anyway in lockdown or we go back to normal when there's just this complete like um greed in in the games industry and it's been unchecked for a while and it's been unchecked since before the pandemic and the gaming industry is one of the most like wild west industries left in the world I think it's definitely becoming more concentrated now as more people are knowing how much money's in games but 2015 to 2019 really really wild times because you've still got people who just like oh I don't know what games are like a lot of lawmakers a lot of people in positions of power that could sort of check games industries have no clue what's going on there we saw it with the Activision Blizzard stuff the biggest thing they're concerned about is cloud gaming in the industry really you're going to give that to Ubisoft really is that your big like sort of thing to deal with that it's it's baffling and as you said before like Nintendo has a very sort of more solid approach you never see it from the top down in terms of people willing to give up stuff those execs at the top of like Embracer Sony PlayStation will still continue to earn millions in compensation um which is not part of their salary that's just compensation for doing such a good job you did such a good job you guys those financial markers yeah and like number goes up therefore company good is not a way to run something I don't think and it's just been that way for too long and something's going to break something serious is going to happen in the industry I think within the next one to two years that could probably put a lot of people off ever wanting to work in it I think that's one of the reasons that you mentioned that the way they came out of the pandemic and the way they approach the industry from coming from the pandemic the other one is costs of course games getting bigger and bigger and costs raising you know but we were talking about how Xbox fans were mad at their games going multi-platform but perhaps they should be concerned about their games their games happening at all yeah and this is this this goes for for PlayStation fans as well because three of perhaps there are three main major studios other than Santa Monica and and and the guy's doing uh you know Naughty Dog was impacted uh and and we're seeing the creators of Horizon being impacted uh and perhaps that's that's what they be they should be uh thinking about and regarding costs and there's fear and are centered uncertainty and there's the elephant in the room which is AI so I think many of them are backpedaling on their plans because they really don't know how much of an impact this is going to have on their workforce and how are they going to be able to to take advantage of what AI offers in terms of asset asset production or even creating code and we the other day we saw Genie by Google you you give it a prompt it will create a game for you so I think they are all like oh perhaps we are halting expansions or cutting down until we understand how this is going to work for us us. Tyler Perry just this is we're talking about so perhaps this is more for for uh film frenzy discussion right but Tyler Perry uh backpedaled as well as well it was if I correct 800 million expansion for a Hollywood studio yeah that got cancelled because of AI because of Sora and what they can they can create it all started like that right with digital cinema when when ILM by the way if you guys haven't watched uh light and magic the documentary on this day plus that's amazing because it's it's how visual effects were done back in the day and when they started doing 3d and digital effects uh one of the guys responsible for the computer science side of things said well we from now on we can paint any and every pixel the color we want so we can create whatever we want but that's happening now with AI not not with 3d rendering so so that's I mean you see that result and you see the examples by Sora and you sort of yeah you you feel the fear right if if your model is as you guys uh described yeah and it's a difficult one to say because you look at Insomniac um you know they get Marvel's Spider-Man 2 out last October or whatever and there's reports that the development cost is upwards of like 300 million dollars or something which yeah you know it's a lot of money but when you think that you're paying like 600 developers for like five years of work like it all it all makes sense they're getting paid like a good wage for the job they do because they're very talented individuals so when it's all it's a lot of money that goes into it but at the same time when you think about the profit margins that a lot of these companies are working with like Microsoft cutting 2,000 jobs or whatever like Microsoft just ticked over to be a trillion dollar company and then it cuts 2,000 jobs like 2,000 jobs for a two trillion dollar company is is is a drop in the ocean it's it's it's so minor but it affects these people so drastically and it makes the industry look so terrible and it affects such a large amount of the game development that it you kind of lose faith a little bit and um yeah i think we're gonna get we're gonna see getting close to that figure maybe maybe even surpassing that 11,250 figure or whatever from 2023 by the end of this fiscal year um which for more for more for most companies is uh march 31st yeah exactly so not everyone but not not at all no but we're about a month away at this point so expect more layoff news i don't know who is going to come from we've already seen a lot of layoffs from these big companies so i can't imagine that they'll be doing a second round but you never know you know i'm not gonna they might i'm not gonna embrace it loves it they love it exactly exactly but um yeah it was it was interesting how it was announced that we weren't getting any big ip from sony this year but then we got the reason yeah true they're holding plans until next year they plan on on you know on making money and sort of establish ps5 finally as they started doing in 2023 which is slightly late if you ask me this year instead of hardware do you think that we just a quick question because i think we'll probably move on and so but do you think this could lead to sort of another indy boom the fact that we're seeing so many like an actual not like indy is in what we call indy now which is basically kind of any developer that isn't big but actual independent developers making their own games sort of like in the early 2010s when we saw stuff like you know surgeon simulator and goat simulator and all those like really small team games come out because at the minute i i find it hard to really get excited for something that's going to be made by a big studio because it's like we've probably lost like half of your people along the way and had to cut back so much whereas the real ambition i feel like could end up coming from those smaller teams again i think the problem is it's just development costs again though isn't it i mean it's indy developers aren't not being affected by the these changes like we see league geeks for example just recently they they had to come yeah that's what i mean it's like actual like people on their own the people that come out out of nowhere yeah yeah but you still need to survive and the indy bubble i think is bursting now and and and i see a lot of indies struggling to get a publisher or to just get their their their projects funded towards the end of the development development that they've been paying on their own for a few years and and and then now they need to to finalize right so perhaps one one man army indy studios perhaps there there's chance for them but costs again who's going to cover those and with publishers you know removing uh withdrawing money instead of putting in in on on new projects i think that's going to be difficult for them to even for two or three people studios yeah plus as well there's the development cost that comes from literally getting a license to use a development engine like you know what unity did last year with its runtime fee just making it even more costly for people to make games but what do you think as well do you think that this this sort of trend with sony as well which is an interesting one because they don't have any major games by looks at things come in this year um this fiscal year should we say um do we think that's uh a byproduct as well of them scaling back on live service because they went really hard on live service a few years ago when they were like we're launching all these projects everyone's working on naughty duke gorilla everyone's getting a live service game out related to their big ip and now we're seeing live service kind of burst no one wants it and multiplayer games yes and multiplayer games so that's i think that was sony trying to be more microsoft and then they scaled back because they they really are they're they're very good with cinematic games we know that hollywood looking like cinematic experiences right but they weren't that good in terms of live service and they didn't have their own sea of thieves they didn't have their own fortnight they didn't have a very successful multiplayer games so i think the bets were on that because because they needed to cut it to that audience but now they're like in standby mode and and same goes for for nintendo at the end of the day it might be microsoft the one that is releasing the biggest games uh exclusive games this year which is crazy and everyone is like holding holding and nintendo said it is because of of scalpers and and and the speculation and to be able to to to handle out more hardware to be to be ready for demand but now we can see they they are also perhaps like saying hey there's no need for us to rush this this release of the new console so let's wait until uh q1 2025 as we have a huge installed base the biggest ever that that we can make profit on so but sorry yeah you were mentioning about yeah you said you said live service games i don't know if you guys were looking forward for more live service game service games by sony or the last of us multiplayer game or if that was exciting to you guys because i think that's one thing they do good we weren't asking for the other i i loathe the idea that they are setting these developers to produce live service games like you've got all these fantastic developers that are brilliant at single-player experiences and then you set them off and say go build a live service game that's going to take up all your resources for the next decade like i loathe that idea and there's some people that are really excited for the idea of last of us factions or whatever it was supposed to be cool but i just couldn't get behind it but that is a topic for another another day live service because i think we could talk about that entirely for 20 minutes let's get onto it quickly then let's talk pokemon presents i say quickly because there's literally very little to talk about in that show it was like 12 minutes long the first 10 minutes was absolute garbage really it was um what do you mean oh i don't get excited sleep yeah i don't get excited about pokemon sleep or pokemon unite or pokemon cafe dx or whatever they call it these days all these little minor ones they don't do anything for me anymore um we did get the announcement of pokemon digital or pokemon trading card game pocket which if you like your trading card games maybe there's something there i find it very difficult to distinguish between nfts and digital products i know there is a difference but to me if you own a skin in the game it is very similar to an nft you just don't get the serial number saying it's yours they used to describe it like that didn't they they used to be like if you've got an airplane ticket that's an nft if you've got a skin in a game that's an nft because it's a big scam because no one knows what it is exactly exactly that's what always gets me no one knew so let's but that's clearly a very fiery topic so let's move on to talk about the actual main announcement which was pokemon legends za which we couldn't tell what the name was when it was originally announced we were like is it zelpha is it z alberto was dead set on z alpha yeah i felt very bad when it came out but it was z a because i asked him and he was like z alpha definitely yeah there was a meme right about a pokemon z or z z or z back in the day so fans were just saying hey pokemon z was it was a thing after all right yeah just took 10 years over 20 years yeah alex go on take point this you're the most excited i think about this game okay so first off we get the teasers throughout the whole presents which has the unknown which are like the pokemon from gen 2 so everyone's like it's gen 2 remakes or whatever and i was like oh my god i might like jump out of my skin if it's something gen 2 related gen 2 legends or whatever but then remember that there's the gen 5 stuff that have been teased and pokemon just went no to all of that it's gen 6 we're going back to lumio city it's just set in lumio city mega revolutions are back it seems to be doing some sort of past and future dynamic because you've got the old school drawings in the trailer of the city when it was being rebuilt and then you've got the sort of futuristic visuals of like holographic pikachu running through the city so it see i think it's going to be a weird little setup uh i'm excited i wish it was this year pokemon are usually really good at saying here's something that you really want to see and by the way it'll be out by christmas time but i think we'll probably see like maybe early early 2025 but yeah it's exciting sorry wasn't that the case for our arcus oh yeah i think arcus was like mainliner and remakes are end of the year and then legends are like it was january or february like very very very early yeah so what do you think about platforms about nintendo switch family of consoles i mean i guess they of course mean the light and the old and the current version but i i think it's pretty clear that it's gonna run like shit and that they're going they're going to make it a case study right like look this runs like shit so buy our new hardware for it to for it to look wondered what do you guys think yeah i can't see it running very well on the switch i think even that trailer would probably like start dropping in fps on the switch i mean it's of course not announced but it if the console is releasing this fiscal year this next fiscal year i think we are we all agree here right like oh yeah it has been delayed but they can't delay the fiscal year so it's it's gonna be before march 20 before april 2025 right it does surprise me that there's no pokemon game this year because usually there's always something pokemon related like whether it's like a new expansion or something for an existing generation or whether it's a new game it does surprise me that there wasn't an announcement for like a gen five um like a like a remake sort of similar to brilliant diamond and shining pearl or whatever i really expect yeah i really expect that to be the case because i don't think it's something that necessarily would look like absolute ass on a on a switch still because it's not like a massively um demanding game to run per se but um remake you mean yeah like a remake yeah i don't i think a new legends game needs to come out on a new console because i just don't think that you can run them on on this old hardware anymore but i'm surprised like a big ass city yeah exactly they've gone with the whole thing is in the city as well it's not like oh five minutes you're in the city and then you get to explore like blank wilderness that's in scarlet and violet and legends arthias it's like no this is all theoretically breathing exactly i that does surprise me so that's why i thought the the direct itself or the the power pokemon present sorry was a bit boring because i think it really sort of lacked in content but i think though the mention that we say of releasing on nintendo switch systems is is a surefire mention that it's coming to the new console because we haven't we haven't seen that term used anywhere else it's always on coming to nintendo switch regardless of whether it's oled regular light it's always coming to nintendo switch and now now all of a sudden it's on nintendo switch systems i'm like that's strange right i didn't read that much into it i don't think it's a mention to the new console because i mean it would mean it's it's called switch 2 or something like that right like that's what you mean right like the dream is still alive yeah yeah i i just i just think they are making sure you can play it on the light and it's also for parents as well i don't know and i think the remake the remakes are coming out uh christmas 2025 i think that's gonna be the one to punch that they are looking at and that is going to be exclusive for for the new system like a new gen like next generation remakes you know what i mean i i might be not not i might be wrong but i don't know it's gonna be a weird year though because we're not gonna have any major playstation stuff by the looks of things um or at least anything from these sort of established big franchises like you know god of wars you know your last of this is that sort of stuff xbox is seemingly leading the fray with like avowed and indiana jones which indiana jones i think is a big game avowed i think is more sort of like middle ground it's like kind of exciting it's obsidian but i don't think it necessarily hits the same sort of heights as indiana jones it could be the best game of the year but it might be the least popular in terms of like new things exactly always the case with obsidian yeah exactly like the outer worlds right you know entertaining but i don't know whether it's going to have necessarily heights to it um and then nintendo we don't know what's happening still because we were expecting this pokemon game to be the answer for this holiday period of which it isn't so um we're still expecting a nintendo direct as we said last week whatever we're still expecting more nintendo direct to talk about what's coming out lately this year and obviously the switch successor but we haven't had them yet um but either way i don't know are we are we excited about 2024 the rest of it or are we just sort of biding our time i'm excited that it might be a bit more restful than 2023 before 2025 kicks us in the arse again but yeah i want to say it's going to be challenging for everyone in the industry and even us who are not strictly developing games or or but we are sometimes promoting them and we are telling you guys about them and i think it's other than challenging is going to be interesting from a journalistic point of view because there's going to be a lot to to analyze and to explain and i think our role is going to be important even though there are no major games uh we i i would say for video games fans video game fans it's it's going to be relevant more relevant than ever to be to be tuned in to to media and to actually be close to what's happening to to try and understand this this transformation by the end of the year and i think journalism is going to be very important even though it doesn't sound as as you know blockbuster triple a sort of show thing um but shows are going to happen and and events are going to happen and i think we all have to be very on alert and very like attentive yeah it looks like it's gonna be a big year for third party you know looks like there's gonna be various different things coming from not these major established or the first party creators but again as we know more we'll be sure to keep you posted um we'll talk next week about something different hopefully it'll be more positive less about layoffs but you never know there could be something really big landing that requires the attention who knows but until then this has been the fourth episode of gaming gossip that's alex that's dav and we'll see you all on the next one"
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